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This is a complete and accurate transcript of the tape of the second oral history interview of Torrey Maynard Johnson (CN 285, T5) in the Archives of the Billy Graham Center. No spoken words have been omitted, except for any non-English phrases which could not be understood by the transcribers. Foreign terms which are not commonly understood appear in italics. In very few cases words were too unclear to be distinguished. If the transcriber was not completely sure of having gotten what the speaker said, "[?]" was inserted after the word or phrase in question. If the speech was inaudible or indistinguishable, "[unclear]" was inserted. Grunts and verbal hesitations such as "ah" or "um" were usually omitted. The transcribers have not attempted to phonetically replicate English dialects but have instead entered the standard English word the speaker was expressing. Readers should remember that this is a transcript of spoken English, which follows a different rhythm and rule than written English.
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This transcript was made by Marissa Lemmen and Paul Ericksen was completed in April 2001.
Collection 285, T5. Interview of Torrey Maynard Johnson by Robert Shuster, February 13, 1985.
SHUSTER: This is a continuation of the interview with Dr. Torrey Johnson, which took place on February the thirteenth, 1985, at the Billy Graham Center. You were talking about Gregorio Tingson and his capacities as an orator.
JOHNSON: Yes. He's an orator. His early ambition was to be a lawyer and to go into politics in the Philippines, and many people feel that he would have been one of the top leaders there because he's a very eloquent, dynamic speaker with a lot of drive. He had relatives all throughout Chicago, whose names I don't recall, that loved the Lord, and they were his headquarters so far as home was concerned when he was in this area. He went back as our representative in the Philippines and still, I think, in an informal way represents Youth for Christ in the Philippines though he also has other things there and he comes back from time to time, and preaches across America, tells what God is doing in the Philippines, blesses people here, brings people to Christ here, goes back to the Philippines again. And he has organized all kinds of meetings in the Philippines, both for himself and for others. And one of the problems that he faced there that others face too, and that is the extreme right-wing Evangelicals and their willingness, or lack of willingness, to cooperate on a united basis, and there you find protectionism: protecting your own work and justifying your own stand becomes a problem. Here is someone on the foreign field who has taken a stand, not only against liberals, but against other Evangelicals who don't see eye to eye to them, or what they call second and third degree separation. And that was stronger in some ways I think on some of those fields where you have those missions that are there represented by people of the American Council of Churches and so on. But he's been able to work through that and has done a great work, a great work in the Philippines, but not only the Philippines but in the work of the Lord in the Third World. I was in Hong Kong for the fortieth anniversary of Youth for Christ...celebration of Youth for Christ International in Hong Kong in the summer of 1984. There were representatives there of sixty-two countries, sixty-two national organizations in Hong Kong. Gregorio Tingson was there representing the Philippines. And when they have conferences...Billy Graham and others have conferences in the Orient and different places, he always is there representing not in toto the Philippines, but as a representative of the Philippines the Evangelical cause, then goes back and continues his campaigning. He's more or less an itinerant evangelist but also with a heart for cooperation.
SHUSTER: And then he was really the first leader of YFC in the Philippines?
SHUSTER: Was he the leader then of YFC in the Philippines?
JOHNSON: Yes. Yes, I would say he was national leader in the Philippines and with a board. The president of the Philippines Airlines was on the board. The head of one of the larg...the head of the largest...I think it's the largest Evangelical school of the Orient in Manila. I think they have fifteen hundred studen...no, five thousand students. This gentleman (his name...he belongs to our church in Florida, now he's retired) built the school there with five thousand students. High class, grade school, high school, college, built it from the ground on up. He's on the board out there.
SHUSTER: Well, I think we've just about run out of time for this interview unless there's something more you wanted to add.
JOHNSON: Thank you. I think we've concluded.
SHUSTER: Well, thank you.