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Interview with Marie Huttenlock Little - Collection 315


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Table of Contents

Brief Description of This Collection

Title Page and Restrictions

Biography of Marie Huttenlock Little

An Essay on the Contents of the Collection (Scope and Content)

List of Audio Tapes in This Collection (Location Records)



Brief Description.


Two Missionary Sources Collection interviews with Little in which she describes her childhood in Philadelphia, training as a nurse and further education at Philadelphia School of Bible and the University of Pennsylvania; becoming a missionary for China Inland Mission in 1947, working in Lanzhou and Wu Wei, Gansu province; return to the U.S. in 1950 to become a staff worker for Inter-Varsity. Interviews were recorded in October and December, 1985.


Collection 315 [July 29, 2009]
Little, Marie Huttenlock; 1918-2009
Interviews; 1985

3 Reels of Audio Tape

Restrictions

There are no restrictions on the use of this collection.


Biography

Marie Huttenlock Little was born April 28, 1918, in Philadelphia, PA, child of Theresa and George B. Huttenlock, and sister of George B. Huttenlock, Jr. When she was ten years old her father left the family permanently and her mother became a seamstress, choir director and organist for a Baptist church in the city. Marie attended Whittier School until 1930 and attended high school at Simon Gratz High School. After graduation in 1935 she entered the nursing school at Hahnemann Hospital in Philadelphia and was there until 1939. While at the hospital, she was active in Nurses' Christian Fellowship. She worked in public health for two and a half years.

Marie's conversion during her teens, brought about through contacts with a Methodist church school teacher, caused a major change in her behavior and also affected her mother and brother. She subsequently became even more deeply involved in the youth program of the Tenth Presbyterian Church in Philadelphia, which included evangelistic team activity. As a singer, she also participated, with her brother, in a Salvation Army instrumental street group and attended jail meetings held by the Army.

As a result of her involvement with the church, Inter-Varsity, and other Christian activities, Marie began to study in the evening school of Philadelphia School of the Bible in 1942, where she received a certificate in 1946. Contacts there further influenced her to begin courses at the University of Pennsylvania, first in the evening after full-time work as a public health nurse, and then as a full-time student, with private duty nursing in the evenings as her vocation. She received a Bachelor of Science degree from the University in 1945. While on campus she initiated the installation of an Inter-Varsity chapter at the University. She also taught a weekly Bible class for children being ministered to as part of the program of the Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Children in the Philadelphia area.

Marie's interest in missions began to develop through attendance at the first Inter-Varsity Mission Conference held in Toronto. She also visited China Inland Mission meetings in Germantown, and subsequently made the decision to apply to the Mission for assignment. By 1947 she had completed preliminary preparation and left in October to be stationed at Lanzhou, in Gansu Province. She remained with CIM until 1951 when that mission decided to leave China because of the Communist takeover there.

After returning to the United States, Marie was asked in 1952 to become a part of the staff of Inter-Varsity. She was assigned to work with Paul Little, who became her husband in 1953. The Littles had two children, Deborah Ann, born June 4, 1957, and Paul Robert Little, born November 30, 1958. Paul Little died in 1975. Marie lived in Mount Prospect, IL and other Chicago suburbs in the next few decades. She died July 28, 2009.


Scope and Content

Marie Little was interviewed by Robert Shuster on October 3 and December 4, 1985, at her home in Prospect Heights, IL. The dates covered by the interview are between the 1930s and 1950s. Time elapsed in minutes and seconds is recorded to the left of the topics discussed in the interview. The index is keyed to the cassette copy and not the reel-to-reel original.

Tape T1 - side 1
00:00 Beginning of tape
00:15 Introduction
00:30 First ten years of her life in Philadelphia; father's leaving of the family and results
03:15 Parents' names
03:30 Mother's occupation as organist and choir director, seamstress; impact of conversion of Marie and her brother on their mother; intense pleasure in Bible study
04:30 Marie's personality as a child; church affiliations; Methodist church school teacher who converted her brother and his Christian growth
06:00 Attendance at Presbyterian church; lying, deceiving her mother and effect of believing in Christ's forgiveness
07:45 Examples of her behavior with the "3 M's," in stores, talking to boys, up to about 13 years old; Mother's teaching about ethics, morals, and guilt feelings
09:15 Rev. Cooper, minister at the church; visiting evangelist and repetitive sermons of Rev. Cooper
09:30 Activities after conversion; music and Sunday night parties
11:00 Differences in standards of fun after conversion
11:15 Acknowledgement of brother's criticism of her Sunday parties
11:30 Mother's Lutheran background and her real spiritual transformation and strength; playing at Baptist churches and teaching Sunday School
12:15 Contact with her re-married father in Chicago and going with him to Moody Church; further contacts and father's third re-marriage
13:30 Activities at Tenth Presbyterian Church, Philadelphia; Sunday evening meetings; brother's playing in Percy Crawford's brass quartet; jail meetings with Salvation Army and playing, singing with the Army
15:30 Content of jail meetings; Salvation Army man and death of his dog; brother's discernment of spiritual matters
16:30 Street meetings; getting hit by a tomato
18:00 "Suffering for Jesus"; her evangelistic approach
18:45 Marie's few contacts with Percy Crawford in summer camp
19:15 Jobs after high school graduation; reasons for going into nurse's training; working at Hahnemann Hospital and hours; learning about Philadelphia School of the Bible and attendance after graduation
21:15 Length of nurse's training; giving a bath; Nurses' Christian Fellowship, Bible studies; Mrs. Grant Payne and daughter's involvement with Bible classes
23:30 Evening studies at Philadelphia School of the Bible; experience and influence of meeting educated Christians; future president Clarence Mason's wife as role model; decision to attend University of Pennsylvania
25:00 Shift of emphasis from nursing to the arts at the University of Pennsylvania; night work as nurse, then full-time work as public-health nurse and night classes at the University; switch to full-time classes at the University and private-duty night nursing to pay tuition; decision to complete nurse's training
27:00 Attending China Inland Mission prayer meetings in Germantown; contacts with missionaries; Robert Hall Glover; attending youth group at Tenth Presbyterian Church; evangelistic teams
29:30 Monthly Inter-Varsity meetings; "mother" Margaret Haynes; Larry Culp, scientist; Faith Seminary men, Laird Harris, Gordon McCrae; dynamic preaching in Philadelphia area and outstanding participants in Inter-Varsity meetings
31:45 Participation of students from Princeton, Eastern Baptist Seminary; brother's studies at Eastern Baptist, working in steel factory, and later attendance at Eastern Baptist College
32:30 Struggles with scornful university attitudes toward Christian beliefs and support from fine preaching and growing toward intellectual maturity as a Christian; struggles about father's leaving the family and supportive love of her brother; her immaturities as a Christian
35:15 Beginning an Inter-Varsity chapter at the University with Jean Kirkman and encouragement of Margaret Haynes; getting permission from Dana Howe and problems with conceptions of fundamentalist, liberal positions; League of Evangelical Students and highly intellectual approach in Reformed biblical studies
38:30 Differences in theological emphasis then and in contemporary world; talk about the sovereignty of God, science and religion; lack of discussion about personal struggles and lack of understanding about these; Inter-Varsity and Tenth Presbyterian intellectual emphasis and its stimulation; committed leaders, Paul Little, and subsequent careers
42:00 Meeting with Dana Howe and getting permission to begin Inter-Varsity group
43:30 Calling Miss Haynes to tell about success of meeting; her role as initiator
44:15 Margaret Haynes, "mother in Israel," her home, activities, guests
46:00 End of tape

Tape T1 - side 2
00:00 Beginning of tape
00:05 Overlap from side 1
00:15 Description of Margaret Haynes and her godly use of wealth
02:00 Work for Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Children; teaching children's Bible classes
03:45 Age of children in the home and scope of care
04:15 Effects of the war; theological exemptions of her brother and other friends
05:30 Discussions among her friends about the war
06:45 Mission contacts and her commitment; attendance at first Inter-Varsity mission conference, Toronto; hearing speaker at Prairie Bible Institute; attendance at Wycliffe for one summer; staff members
10:30 Charles Goose of Sudan Interior Mission; struggles with issue of marriage after graduation from Bible school and University of Pennsylvania; study of 1 Peter, chapter 5, and understanding of suffering in the flesh; application to CIM, departure in October and euphoria of decision as answer to prayer
13:45 Inner turmoil during training and companionship of Wheaton graduate to discuss God's role in their decisions
14:45 Unchristian pride and sense of intellectual superiority
15:45 Margaret Haynes as role model for her in every way; Haynes' personality
16:15 Application process, psychological test; meeting with resident psychologist; conflict of desire for mission service and pain of confrontation of personal situation of broken home
19:00 Cultural adaptation classes; orientation to the CIM and field
19:45 Contents of classes and recommendations for life style on the mission field
22:00 Memories of raising support; brother's need to raise his own; CIM's financial policy
23:45 Evaluation of preparation for the field and CIM's care of young women missionaries; learning to live a godly life without having self-understanding; Hudson Taylor's two-volume life story, Oswald Chambers, J. B. Frazer's book on prayer written by man who worked with Lisu; Isobel Kuhn's visit
27:00 Isobel Kuhn's abilities as a story-teller, her personality, physical appearance
28:30 Robert Glover's messages, his wife
29:15 Content of Glover's messages; theme of victorious life; operation for heart surgery by Glover's son on Maria's husband [Paul]
31:00 Prayers for Paul Little's contacts with Robert Glover Jr; conversations of Paul and Glover's colleague, Dr. Jansen; conversion of Robert Glover Jr. after experience with abdominal cancer and plaque marking location in the hospital
33:30 Family reaction to desire to be a missionary; Mother's understanding of her personality; brother George's raising support and departure for Japan, 1950
36:00 Trip conditions en route to China
37:30 Other missionaries and CIM group
38:00 End of tape

Tape T2 - side 1
00:00 Beginning of tape
00:15 Arrival in Shanghai after 25-day trip; CIM home there
03:30 Impressions of Shanghai and boat trip on Yangtze River
06:00 Breakfast with Chinese cabbage gravy; trip to Anking, Anhwei, for language school
06:30 CIM's training in cultural setting, customs, protection from errors
08:30 Traveling to language school; Nationalists' control at that point; inflation, loyalty to Chiang Kai-Shek and reactions to Communist propaganda
10:00 Mission activities in Shanghai
10:45 Language school and those attending from other countries and missions
11:30 British influence in CIM and being taught how to brew tea by Scottish lady; friend Judith Anderson from Evangelical Alliance Mission; learning sounds from Chinese teachers
15:30 Chinese teachers, dialects and Mandarin
16:15 Grammar classes and expected fluency after seven years' training
17:15 Finishing Chinese by correspondence; time-intensive period at the school, exams
17:45 Being taught grammar by Raymond Frame and his wife [Helen] and British couple; training in wearing modest clothes; CIM "tidy"
19:00 Worship services and devotions with class training
20:00 Participation of entire staff in devotions
20:30 [Tape recorded at wrong speed at this point]
24:00 British practice of worshipful, laid-back, intellectual decorum as Christian behavior
24:45 View of this approach from decade of 1980s; perceived differences between American and British culture at that time; German woman and her organ playing; Swiss ballet dancer who became a Christian and member of Swiss CIM; other nationalities represented
26:45 Australian missionaries more "American" , i.e., informal, in their approach to work; flair for comedy of one Australian missionary
28:00 Accepting CIM's geographical assignment; prayerful attempt of senior staff to assign effectively; anticipation of "dedicated" spot; Hudson Taylor's vision to put two missionaries in each major city
29:30 End of tape

Tape T2 - side 2
00:00 Beginning of tape
00:05 Overlap from side 1
00:15 No differentiation of assignment for Americans; arrangements with Christian and Missionary Alliance for non-conflicting coverage of geographical territories
00:30 Government of mission through its Council [pause because of fall of microphone]
01:30 Council members' abilities as reason for choice and their responsibility for particular geographic areas; Leonard Street, northwest China
02:45 Senior missionary Maxwell Rank; widow Ruth Thomas and her adjustment and work for CIM in language training; Marie's trips by truck for lessons
04:45 Responding to call for nurse in Shanghai after completion of language school; birth of David Adeney's child in the hospital
05:45 Work in the mission hospital; friendship with unhappy wealthy Chinese woman who wanted to learn English and resulting friendship; unfaithfulness of Chinese men; probable danger of wealthy Chinese after Communist takeover in Shanghai
08:45 Temporary school for mission children; participation in radio broadcasts and their effectiveness in evangelism; appointment of language teachers
10:00 Staff at the mission headquarters and hospital: Dr. [Harold] Adolph
10:45 Live radio programs, children's programs
11:30 Weekly radio program of woman missionary; her participation in this and use of talents in Shanghai
12:00 Leaving Shanghai in December 1948
12:30 Description of being flown on Flying Tiger plane from Shanghai to Lanzhou, Gansu province, in northwestern China; description of neighboring provinces and geographical shape
14:30 Description of arid area, south of Gobi Desert
15:15 Arriving at Wuwei and CIM compound; description of compound and those who lived there
19:00 Thriving church near compound
20:00 Sunday attendance
20:15 Study of Chinese; programs of the church, Chinese itinerant pastor
22:00 Missionary home with three women missionaries; Buddhist temple next door to the church with idol, chicken blood
22:45 Impact of idol-worshiping men
23:00 Chinese name for God, "Old Man of the Heavens"; belief in benevolent god; Buddhist idols' personification of God in human form; lack of contact with Buddhist priests
24:45 Well-liked Chinese preacher and other preachers
25:30 Hsueh family with godly matriarch and pharmacist son
26:15 Wednesday prayer meetings, other services, vacation Bible school; evangelistic services for two weeks before Communists' arrival
27:15 Farewell for the missionaries
27:30 Cold weather and poor attendance during cold months; use of lamp to warm hands; wearing padded clothes
28:00 Description of conditions during services, furnishings, informality of behavior at services
29:30 Illustration of Oriental setting of the Bible, choice of examples used for preaching and teaching
30:00 Length of services and singing
30:30 End of tape

Tape T2 - side 3
00:00 Beginning of tape
00:05 Overlap from side 2
00:15 Beautiful sound of singing, responses of congregation to rhythms; scripture in Chinese song
00:30 Literacy work with poor, uneducated women of Gansu province directed by Mrs. Thomas; great sewing skills of Chinese women; family garments
02:30 Undergarments, padded trousers and parallel to Old Testament--Daniel's new annual garment
03:15 Work with children in Sunday School, supplies; reading classes for women; primary efforts directed toward learning Chinese language
05:00 Southern Baptist out-patient clinic and her work in the clinic; making new friends
06:15 Health conditions, practices; medicines and illnesses
07:30 Low life expectancy; dispensing medicine through pharmacist in the church; tooth-pulling by itinerant surgeon
08:45 Occupations of church members; mobile food dispensers carrying hot pots with rod across shoulders; noodles and green onions for breakfast; wealthy owners of stores in town; size of town
10:45 Attending second century Chinese Han dynasty exhibit, Washington, DC, 1974, from king's grave outside Wuwei; bronze horses, chariots, buried with king; small number of cities where exhibit shown; Communists' use of archaeology for showcase
13:30 Church's reaction, late 1948 to September 1949, when Peking was reported fallen to Communists' Liberation Army; fear and its provocation of many conversions; two-month evangelistic trip into the countryside before Communists' arrival
15:15 End of tape

Tape T3 - side 1
00:00 Beginning of tape
00:05 Introduction
00:15 Working of the Holy Spirit through Chinese church to spur evangelistic tour before communists came, and evidence of this on the trip
00:45 Visiting small villages in Wuwei area; riding on wooden saddles; sleeping on "kang," clay shelf, in homes; children watching non-Chinese through open windows
03:30 Gathering for meetings in compounds; using flannelgraph, preaching, talking to women
04:30 Different types of people visited, occupations, ethnic origins
06:00 Description of compounds; Tibetan girl with 107 braids; Chinese skill in differentiating between races; Tibetan customs of braiding hair, arranged marriages
08:00 Curiosity of Chinese toward western white woman; simple Bible stories told in Chinese; using "Old God of Heaven" to describe Christian God; hidden quality of compounds
09:45 Biblical sense of reaching "every tribe and nation" in this location
10:00 Response to the trip; simple explanations and skill of Chinese Christians in using these; prayers, later visits of the people to Hseih
11:30 Questions from the people about how Christianity fit with Buddhism, other gods; explanations about worshipping gods made with hands
12:45 Reality of Paul's New Testament preaching about unknown god in primitive contemporary cultures
13:00 Lack of hostility to westerners by Chinese until coming of Communists
13:30 Battle between Nationalists and Communists; guerilla activities preceding successful Communist conquests; origins of hostility to rich because of past exploitation; corruption of Chiang's government
16:45 Wuwei under Communists and problem of targeted store-owners who were church members; CIM's hope to weather the political shift; movement of Communists through the area; policy of equality and its appeal
20:00 Attempts of mission to be apolitical; government's organization of the town; killing of former government staff; meetings for indoctrination, confessions
23:30 Visit to Lanzhou, December, 1950, and instructions from CIM to leave; attempt to get to clinic and work as a nurse thwarted by events requiring departure
25:30 Women remaining in Wuwei, Olive and Ivy Graisley; departure of Mrs. Thomas; Marie's inability to return to Wuwei CIM staff members including Otto Schoerner, business manager.
27:30 Widespread knowledge that time had come to leave; government's decree for an indigenous church only; mass killings in 1951
30:30 Shelter given in compound to church families; Communist soldiers' visits to compound from occupied Buddhist temple; indoctrination against rich
32:00 Sixty million deaths admitted in Communist publications; runaway inflationprevious to takeover and immediate stabilization, price regulation; expert propaganda
33:30 Establishment of three-self movement, 1950; Peking Conference manifesto for church, self-government, self-importance, self-propagation; soldiers in every public meeting, church; no criticism of government implied in prayers
34:45 Effectiveness of Communist propaganda; loss of CIM's hopes to be able to stay in China; Chinese prisoners taken by Communists, gifts to soldiers; distorted version of attack on South Korea
38:00 Trial of colleague who had come to China in same year
38:30 Living in leprosarium until all doctors, nurse gone; only Austin and Street remaining in headquarters
39:15 Being refused permission to leave for two months more; August 1st celebration of founding of Communist army and planned takeover of Borden Memorial Hospital; training Chinese doctor's widow, Lee T'ai T'ai, to take over leprosarium; sending medicine from Hong Kong for the leprosarium; army's planned march to the city
41:30 Contacts with the soldiers in Wuwei; invitation to trial of two prisoners accused of subversion; dust storm and refusal of soldiers to allow anyone to leave until decision made to kill prisoners
44:30 End of tape

Tape T3 - side 2
00:00 Beginning of tape
00:05 Overlap from side 1
00:15 Allowance of only one service on Sunday morning with attendance by soldiers; Communists' organization of literature, streets; pressure on young not to attend church
01:00 Taking Bibles from Christians; demotion, firing, no jobs or ridicule for possession
01:45 Communists' desire to wipe out all religions because of emphasis on future instead of the present and its problems; closed Bible school in Lanzhou; contacts with Otto Schoerner; church still meeting in Wuwei and Lanzhou
03:30 Contrast of church in Wuwei after coming of Communists; Peking Manifesto and Three-Self Movement
04:45 Well-founded apprehension of Chinese church elders returning from Peking Conference; continual communication with Leonard Street; inability to comply with his request because of conditions; German woman born under German Communism and her eventual decision to leave because of danger to lepers
08:00 Communists' attitude and treatment toward unproductive lepers, older people; concentration on the young; indoctrination against parents, others, and acceptability only of the state
08:45 Anti-American literature; no personal encounter with effects
09:15 Trip with Leonard Street by bus and train; wearing Chinese liberation outfit; encounter with Communist Chinese man vehement against United States
11:00 Expertise of propaganda; maps in post offices with occupied areas in red
11:45 [Break for phone call] Communist system like a prison
12:30 Return to America after leaving Shanghai; invitation from David Adeney to joint staff of Inter-Varsity to help Chinese Christians trapped in New York City by changes in China; staff member, Paul Little, her co-worker, later to become her husband
13:45 End of tape

Provenance

The materials for this collection were received by the Center in October and December, 1985 from Marie Little.

Accession 85-130, 85-168
November 20, 1986
Frances L. Brocker
J. Nasgowitz


LOCATION RECORD
Accession 85-130, 85-168
Type of Material: Audio Tapes

The items listed below are located in the AUDIO TAPE FILE:

T1 - Reel-to-reel, 3-3/4 ips, 90 minutes. One side only. Interview with Marie Little by Robert Shuster. Discussion of background, youth, conversion, meetings with Salvation Army, street meetings, Percy Crawford, nurse's training, Philadelphia School of the Bible, Inter-Varsity meetings, Paul Little, Margaret Haynes, effects of war, missionary service with China Inland Mission, Isobel Kuhn, and Robert Glover; October 3, 1985.

T2 - Reel-to-reel, 3-3/4 ips, 90 minutes. One side only. Interview with Marie Little by Robert Shuster. Discussion of missionary service in Shanghai, mission activities, language school, Chinese grammer, worship services, American and British culture, Hudson Taylor, geographic areas of service, work in mission hospital, Dr. Harold Adolph, women missionaries, idol-worship, apparal, and Communist's arrival in Peking; December 4, 1985.

T3 - Reel-to-reel, 3-3/4 ips, 90 minutes. One side only. Interview with Marie Little by Robert Shuster. Discussion of evangelist tour, Christianity and Buddhism, Communists, Nationalists, mass killings, three-self movement, Peking Conference, anti-American feelings, propaganda, and Paul Little; December 4, 1985.



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